6 Replies Latest reply: Oct 15, 2019 10:37 AM by wildiris RSS

    Semantics of "Advanced Payment"

    surgerygalore Contributor

      Hello Ladies & Gents,


      Following the discussion on Yapstone, Advanced Payments, and trying to understand the concepts and obvious the definitions

      In terms of language, the Semantics

      An analysis of the later follows


      Definitions first, a Payment is a good (say currency) that is given by someone that receives a service and/or a good to the entity furnishing them.  In the context at hand, the Payment (please notice capital P) is performed by the guest, the Payor, to both the platform and to the Owner, the Payees.


      The intermediary and processor of the Payment (capital P) is Yapstone that itself receives a payment for services rendered by the Owner.  Note that Yapstone does not Pay the Owner in as much it does not receive any service or good from the Owner - it is actually the Owner that pays Yapstone for the service rendered.


      So that uniquely identifies the Payment, i.e., the amount paid by the Guest (Payor) to the Owner (Payee)


      Advanced in Advanced Payment s the modifier used in the discussions/threads/etc.  But if we agreed on the definition of Payment as presented above, not sure what the Advanced means as associated to the Payment.  The Payment occurs at a date that is antecedent the date of occupancy, the later an irrelevant parameter in the time sequence of the transfer of funds associated to the Payment, transfer that always follows the transfer of funds by the Guset, typically secondary to an Agreement between Owner, payee, and Gust, Payor, agreement for services rendered by the Owner not by Yapstone


      So even if we decide to call the transfer of funds from Yapstone a payment, it will be a Delayed payment with respect to the time at which they received the funds for the sole purpose of transferring them to the Owner.


      So we are talking of an entity, Yapstone, that decides to delay the Payment made by the Payor as a good faith deposit for services to be rendered by the Payee

      We are therefore talking about a Delayed Payment, certainly not an Advanced one.  Delayed by a processor that has nothing to do with the contractual obligations between Payor and Payee.  A bit like buying a house and the bank of the Buyer of the goods, the house, withholding the transfer to the Agent Escrow Account of the deposit performed as established in the Purchase and Sales Agreement between Buyer and Seller until the deed is actually transferred or until occupancy!


      That much for a light divertissement, a digression on semantics!


      Cheers everyone and have a good weekend



        • Re: Semantics of "Advanced Payment"
          green_mango Active Contributor

          Yep, this topic has come up before - personally, I imagine a bunch of suits in a meeting room saying VRBO will collect the payments and distribute them a week *after* the payment is made, but ingeniously call them "Early Payout" so that owners somehow think VRBO is doing them a favor and paying early instead of a week or more late (lots of high 5s all around)....

          • Re: Semantics of "Advanced Payment"
            barbabcock New Member

            So, if I've read the new payment plan correctly...and I've been over it several times...then we either 1. don't join the new deal and don't get our payments until after a guest has arrived. Or, 2. we join for a fee.

            This would allow a guest to spend a night or two at our cabin without paying. Aside from HomeAway and the guest, who does that benefit?

            I don't send the directions to our place until all funds are received and I'm not changing that policy. And, I resent the extra fees demanded in order to receive payment before a guest arrives.

            I tried to call HomeAway to clarify but the connection was to another country and I couldn't understand them.

            • Re: Semantics of "Advanced Payment"
              scowol Active Contributor

              There's another thread on this topic:  Is the current payment schedule sustainable?

              • Re: Semantics of "Advanced Payment"
                barbabcock New Member

                Thank you scowel...Last night I explored the posting to which you linked and it looks like I'm far from the only one with this problem. Under this genius program, a guest could visit our cabin and get their damage deposit returned before I get my money.  Feels like I would be paying guests to stay at my cabin which isn't my intention.

                  • Re: Semantics of "Advanced Payment"
                    wildiris Senior Contributor

                    barbabcock wrote:


                    Under this genius program, a guest could visit our cabin and get their damage deposit returned before I get my money.  Feels like I would be paying guests to stay at my cabin which isn't my intention.


                    You raise a good point.  Vrbo gives owners two options regarding when Vrbo will automatically refund a guest's damage deposit - 7 days or 14 days after a guest departs.  Owners would be well-advised to set the automatic refund date to 14 days to prevent the guest from receiving the refund of his damage deposit before HomeAway has paid the owner.  This can be found on the dashboard - "Property" "Rates"  "Rates Settings" "Damage Protection" "Refundable Damage Deposit" "Return my guest's damage deposit."


                    An owner can always manually refund a guest's damage deposit sooner than the setting for the automatic refund.