28 Replies Latest reply: Dec 28, 2018 7:27 PM by ohst8er RSS

    electric vehicle charging?

    sonenalpmammoth Active Contributor

      Does anyone offer electric vehicle charging? If so, did you install or have it installed? What do you use? Any issues to be aware of? 

       

      Would like to add a non-specific (charges all types/make) charger but would love to hear any complications, concerns or experiences of other hosts first. TIA.

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          sapphiresteve Senior Contributor

          Almost all, if not all, electric passenger cars can be charged from an ordinary 120Volt electric receptacle.

           

          Special charging units do the same thing faster--sometimes much faster.

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              sonenalpmammoth Active Contributor

              True and a good point. But we are going to need to run electrical anyway (which is going to be half the cost for us) because we don't have where we need it. With an additional $500-$800 for the unit, I can add "EV charging station" to my list of amenities. Am really wondering if there are other issues at play that I'm not thinking through, such as liability, overuse, on-going expense, etc.

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                  hill5185 CommunityAmbassador

                  Kudos for forward thinking ! If the charging station is something you find beneficial and your target guest will equally find beneficial do the project without question ! An investment in your business is tax friendly GO full steam ahead ! Honestly Can’t speak to the liability use concerns but there is a great VR reaource @stevesassman just google his name and you’ll find his Tesla’s rental adventures - we all need to be thinking forward and charging stations will be a part of life . If You’ve got the money to do it just do it ! Why ask why ?

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                u0999 Premier Contributor

                Do you offer a gas station at your VR? if not, why EV charging should be any different?

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                    sonenalpmammoth Active Contributor

                    1. Because I can use it when I'm there and getting gas takes 5 minutes while charging can take hours.

                    2. With 30+ feet of snow a year, it's difficult for guests to access the tesla station.

                    3. Because initial cost is around $1000 which means I need to rent 1 condo for 1 night on a high week for it to pay for itself.

                    4. It would be one more thing that sets my VR apart from others.

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                        margaret CommunityAmbassador

                        If it is something that would be extra convenience for you when you are there and also an extra perk for guests, I don't see any reason not to do it. Guests with an electric car would probably use your electric with an extension cord anyway. One of my nephews has an extension cord attachment that charges the car faster when plugging into a regular outlet.

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                      ohst8er Senior Contributor

                      I don't have an answer, but I do have a question if you don't mind.   (And no, this is not a judgement disguised as a question, it's a serious question.)

                       

                      How much more is your household electrical bill when you plug in an electric car?  I've always been curious about that.

                       

                      And #2 (ok, I guess I have TWO questions)...  My house is powered by Duke Energy, which to my understanding is 50-65% coal powered in my area.  Would it really be "saving the environment" if I plugged an electric car into a "coal powered" house? 

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                          margaret CommunityAmbassador

                          My nephew has occasionally charged his car while visiting for a few days, I did not notice any increase in my electric bill. That said, since I don't deal with it on a regular basis, there are probably others who would have a more definite answer.

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                            sonenalpmammoth Active Contributor

                            ohst8er I don't know anything about coal energy. Sorry! ;-( 


                            Regarding our electrical bill: We purchased full solar for our personal home in 2012 and it paid for itself in less than a year-- but we live in a very sunny climate. Even with the EV, we can't use all the power we create. So powering the car is free. Also, Tesla offers charging stations all over the place, and my husband (who has this as his commuter car) has chargers at his work location, anyway. So we don't always even need to charge at home.

                             

                            At our VR location (which is not on solar), electricity is 15 cents per kilowatt-hour -- charging our car fully costs about $10. (The cost of gas in our VR location is 5.50USD/gallon!!!!). I'm thinking that if every guest charged fully on arrival, and again on departure it would only cost me $20 per stay.

                             

                            There are dedicated Tesla superchargers in my VR location, but Tesla is only one of many types of EVs. So some guests would need to charge at our home.

                             

                            Still open to hearing any concerns or experiences if anyone offers EV charging at their VR! ;-)

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                                greggt Senior Contributor

                                Where you located at, $5.50 a gallon!!! At home it is $1.94, here in Bay County Florida which has the highest gas prices in the state, it is $2.38.

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                                    sonenalpmammoth Active Contributor

                                    Ya, I grew in Hilton Head and Savannah and when I go home to my parents I can't believe the gas prices.

                                     

                                    Not only am I in CA, but its a remote, mountain area where gas stations can charge what they wish. There are some casinos, owned by Native American tribes with gas around 3.90, but those are at least 45 minutes away. Crazyville. But I guess we're willing to pay these prices to live in heaven.. . I mean California.

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                                  twobitrentals CommunityAmbassador

                                  My thought is how much do we, the owners feel the need to accommodate these things. If you want to provide a perk then go for it. Otherwise, where does it end? Personally, I don’t feel the need to ”power” somebody’s vehicle. Their Electric car was their choice and therefore their responsibilty on how it is powered.  However, it is interesting to think about folks using EV’s and how long they take to charge and how that would affect the ability to enjoy their vacation. Maybe this will be our future, who knows?

                                   

                                  I Would love to see the US become more like Europe where there is a rail system, bus system, etc. (where possible). (I have to say I live in the middle of no where and so probably not possible, but would love to see it at my VR. Funny how we made sure there were enough buses for our children to get to school every day, but many towns have no buses for regular travel?)

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                                      u0999 Premier Contributor

                                      "Personally, I don’t feel the need to ”power” somebody’s vehicle. Their Electric car was their choice and therefore their responsibility on how it is powered."


                                      EXACTLY. I do not plan to provide EV station any more than I expect to provide gas/diesel station. What's next - a horse feeding station if they choose to travel by horse? a heli-pad? a landing strip?

                                      I am sorry, i do not feel the urge to compensate for people's exotic or impractical choices.

                                       

                                      In the location of my VR I see more conventional (diesel or gasoline) pickup trucks than any kind of EV. the town put in an EV charging station or two...never seen a vehicle there. On a personal note, I feel EV will end up being CFL curly bulbs of cars.. An Intermediate dead-end novelty technology until something better and more practical (and less harmful) comes around (like LED bulb) and the whole thing will totally change direction. It will not be a viable long term solution - just like  CFL bulb wasn't for lighting.

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                                          twobitrentals CommunityAmbassador

                                          Well I don‘t know if they will go away, but maybe...it wouldn’t be the first time that something that sounded good in theory ends up failing. They aren’t for me in the current form. I drive 14 hours at a time, over 1000 miles and wouldn’t like being held up to sit and charge somewhere Along the way.

                                           

                                          Our location here in Wyoming is mostly trucks and 4-wheel drive and since this IS coal country.....you probably won’t see EV’s here. I even see bumper stickers around that say “my coal powers your electric car”. Which may not be true for everyone!! LOL!! AND Wyoming is the lowest population state of all the States and so everything is far away!! My closest “real” grocery store is 45 miles......So an EV is not even practical here.

                                           

                                          I do have to wonder.....what happens if someone ends up on the side of the road out of a charge? They can only be towed....nobody can bring them a can of electricity, or can they?? (Joking)

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                                              u0999 Premier Contributor

                                              Hubby works for waste-to-energy  power plant, and he deals with "city" level EPA-like office (forgot exact abbreviation on city level) employees all the time. So city bought Nissan Leafs for their employees to drive around. Guess what - they dread using them and don't want to drive them because of "range anxiety'. Nuff said.

                                               

                                              I too drive 700 miles to my VR, and often through the mountains.

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                                              green_mango Active Contributor

                                              I don't think EVs are "exotic or impractical" at all - I appreciate that some guests are taking steps to be more earth friendly - helps compensate for my own gas guzzler SUV.  My VR is in a rural mountain area, but many of our guests visit from Bay Area/Silicon Valley & will appreciate the offering and it could definitely be a key factor in choosing my VR over another. 

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                                                  u0999 Premier Contributor

                                                  if you cannot drive across the country in one, it is impractical (or, if you will, it has limited usability for commutes and places where EV infrastructure is present).

                                                  maybe in someone else's market flying private planes is popular. and maybe some owner want to offer landing strips for them. If it works in your market, then by all means. Not in my market. But is is also hardly practical for the majority of population and VR owners.

                                                  I am also personally opposed to many EV at luxury prices being subsidized by "tax incentives",  but that is another story.

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                                                      twobitrentals CommunityAmbassador

                                                      AGREED!!!

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                                                        green_mango Active Contributor

                                                        We don't have any guests who drive across the country.  I don't have an EV and I don't drive across the country either.  Perhaps it's a regional attitude.  Here in the Pac NW EVs are quite common and not considered exotic or impractical at all. 

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                                                            ohst8er Senior Contributor

                                                            I‘m sure there areas of the country where EV’s are more, or less, practical.  In my area, 58% of the electric power comes from coal.  So, though I’m never far from a charging station I don’t know if EV’s make much practical sense.  A quick google search of the Pacific NW produced this.  https://www.nwcouncil.org/reports/electricity-generation-pacific-northwest

                                                             

                                                            Also, I would imagine in NYC EV might make sense, since so much of their power comes from hydro, just don’t ask WNY’ers how they feel about all that clean power in their backyard being diverted to NYC....  

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                                                                twobitrentals CommunityAmbassador

                                                                I met someone who worked at a nuclear plant in Kentucky and she said she was in the low radiation exposure area, but still had to suit up completely. She also stated that the nuclear waste container (solid concrete) was starting to fail. Now, I am not against alternative energy....lets face it fossil fuels will eventually run out, but those alternatives have to truly be safer than fossil fuels and has to be cost effective too. I don’t want radiation waste leaking out, that would be devastating to all. Wind farms have issues too. Many have come down with health issues, one article I read stated that when ice forms on the blades that while appearing to turn slowly are turning at 100 MPH, when that ice begins to melt it can throw the ice equal to the size of a small pick up truck.....imagine that being hurled towards you as you pass by? I was recently at a military base that had much solar....well they had a hail storm that produces baseball size hail. Almost all buildings had damage to siding, windows, autos and YEP you guessed much of the solar panels. Luckily these were not on roofs,or would have been even more expensive. LOL!! So, while fossil fuels may contribute to our pollution, just remember what one volcano can do (some scientists used to say ((not anymore) that one could produce more co2 than all the pollution that mankind has ever produced and the ozone repairs itself.  My thoughts are this move into the future with as much knowledge as possible before jumping in.

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                                                    green_mango Active Contributor

                                                    We installed one - so far none of our guests have used it (slow season), but it was suggested that I ask guests to charge in the evenings/overnight at off peak rates. 

                                                     

                                                    I agree - it's a great way to set our place apart from others nearby, and it's nice to stay a step ahead, especially as EVs become more common. 

                                                     

                                                    My neighbor got one also & he will charge guests to use it.  I believe any additional electric bill cost will be minimal and I don't plan on making the usage an additional charge. 

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                                                        sonenalpmammoth Active Contributor

                                                        Thx for the input. I agree, guests really don't like to be nickel-and-dimed with fees. I really try to avoid it. I'm concerned about finding a qualified electrician. Our town is just SO small. Was finding an electrician a challenge for you?

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                                                            green_mango Active Contributor

                                                            Nope, I've got a good electrician on speed dial   Small town here too - but it's really pretty straightforward.  I sent them the link for the product I ordered ahead of time because it had detailed directions/specs for what additional materials they would need.  All worked out great!  I don't have an EV though, so I had to put a request out on FB to find a local to come and test it out for me - I wanted to make sure it worked correctly before I advertised it.

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                                                          sonenalpmammoth Active Contributor

                                                          Quick general response: My guess, like @green_mango suggested, is that this the desire/need/attitude about this is probably a regional and/or generational difference. No harm, no foul.

                                                           

                                                          Putting in a EV charger would be incredibly convenient for me, can be expensed to my business, and would set me apart in a competitive market full of crazy LA/Bay area environmentalists with a fleet of Teslas who are willing to pay high rent. Although I don't plan to put in a gas station or horse trough, I do cater to my guests and I dont really plan on changing that. Its particularly convenient when I benefit as well, which I will in this case.

                                                           

                                                          But If no one ever uses it, I will and that's reason enough for me.

                                                           

                                                          Again, I was hoping for practical advice/experience- not debate- so thanks for sharing your experience, @green_mango

                                                           

                                                          If you guys who don't have personal experience with EVs want to treat yourself to an amazing adventure, go test drive a Tesla. Hit the highway and use the autopilot feature. Its honestly mind-blowing. And the 'fart mode' (in which every time you use a blinker, etc a different fart sound fills the vehicle) is pretty hilarious, particularly to my boy children. My husband, on the other hand, is a big fan of the 0 to 60 in 3.5 seconds. ;-)

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                                                              twobitrentals CommunityAmbassador

                                                              Isn’t that the best improvement that you can provide one that you will use yourself. I think if it was something I would use then I wouldn’t even wonder what others thought, I would just do and enjoy and if others used too....just an added benefit.

                                                               

                                                              Hope all works out the way you envision.  You asked for opinions and you got many different ones from us all over this beautiful country. That’s the beauty of this Community.....you get to take away what most benefits your unique situation, but also allows for ideas to flow freely.

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                                                                ohst8er Senior Contributor

                                                                I'm sure Teslas are very cool.  But I have ZERO intention of ever getting behind the wheel of a car and turning on autopilot.    I am a complete non fan of this technology where drivers give up the control of the vehicle to machines and computers.