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5108 Views 27 Replies Latest reply: Aug 9, 2012 8:44 AM by disneyfunvilla RSS
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Jul 28, 2012 1:45 PM

Air conditioner use advice

I am charging $450 a night this summer in a beach community.  The fall and winter rate is $375 Its my first summer doing vacation rentals.  The daily temperature is a pretty consistant average 72 degrees.  My 2 units never had air conditioning until June when I lost a 3 month booking because of lack of air conditioning... so I sprang for central air.  My thinking was since its a temperate climate and its usually only 61 degrees out at night how often could the air come on even with the windows closed??

 

Well, I was wrong... with the windows closed the air will come on frequently even when its 72 OR 59 degrees out.  The current guests turn the air to 62 on at 11 pm and keeps it on until 8 am when my programmed thermostat turns it to 78... thing is it was 60 degrees out all night!  Although not consistantly on all night it looks to have been running about 5 hours in that period.

 

The thermostat is linked to the internet and I see how long and when the temp gets changed.  So for instance, the outside temperature never went over 71 yesterday but I show 8 hours of air conditioning useage in the unit!  I'm dreading the electric bill.

 

NOW... question is (after this guest leaves) do I put a limit on how far the temp can be lowered (which I can do), disable the air all together to encourage the windows again?  Its a quiet neighborhood with a constant ocean breeze... so much so I put doorstops out to keep the doors from slamming.  At $450 a night should I just grit my teeth and pay the bill?  Charge a seperate $200 air-conditioning fee for summer so I don't have to worry about open windows with air on??

  • msdebj Community Ambassador 1,123 posts since
    May 25, 2011
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    Jul 28, 2012 2:27 PM (in response to moltened)
    Re: Air conditioner use advice

    I think many of us face the same problems- guests turn the a/c up (or heat) then leave doors open, etc.

     

    If you can manage the temp. from afar I see no problem with putting a maximum temp. range on your thermostat.  You could buy a few small fans, in case someone needs more air.

     

    I wouldn't charge an additional fee for airconditioning.

    Debj.

  • carol Community Ambassador 945 posts since
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    Jul 28, 2012 2:50 PM (in response to moltened)
    Re: Air conditioner use advice

    Many people select an air-conditioned house because of allergies, not just a desire for cooler temperatures, so opening windows may not be an option for them.  I think if you advertise AC, you really need to bite the bullet and absorb the cost this year.  Next year, take the increase in cost into account when you set your rates.   When I meet my guests, I ask them to not run the individual room units when no one is in the room (we have a mini-split heat pump system that can cool down a room in 5 minutes) and most seem to comply. Still, my electric bills are always very high in the summer -- it's a cost of doing buisness.  

     

    I think your guests settng the thermostat to 62 is ridiculous.   Is there any way you can limit the temperature to 72 or so? 

  • crescentbeach4u Community Ambassador 616 posts since
    Sep 10, 2011
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    Jul 28, 2012 2:54 PM (in response to moltened)
    Re: Air conditioner use advice

    You might consider www.coastalgreenair.com.  This would solve your problem.

  • susaninrehoboth Contributor 249 posts since
    Sep 3, 2011
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    Jul 28, 2012 3:47 PM (in response to moltened)
    Re: Air conditioner use advice

    We have two signs in our condo-one by the thermostat and one by the slider. Both signs state that if the A/C is set lower than 74 or the A/C is run when the slider or other windows are open, the A/C unit will freeze, resulting in total use of A/C for several hours. We have three ceiling fans in an 800 sq unit, so we think not setting the thermostat lower than 74 is a reasonable request. I also send this notice when I email the check in & condo use instructions. Although I can't be sure anybody pays attention to the request, I hope they do.

     

    Maybe signs would help you.

  • swiss-house Community Ambassador 267 posts since
    Jul 6, 2011
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    Jul 28, 2012 8:11 PM (in response to moltened)
    Re: Air conditioner use advice

    Susan's note about signs is one to seriously consider.  I've foudn MOST guests really do want to respect the owner, and if you gently let them know that a particular feature has a considerable cost, they'll be careful in their use of it.  Of course, there are also those who feel that it is their right if not responsibility to use and abuse every feature of a property simply because it is available.  Thankfully, they've been a small minority for us.

     

    We bought a number of 8X10 wooden frames (the type you can either hand or place on a pice of furniture), and put our printed signs in them:  Directions on how and when to use the fireplace, reminders to use the griddle instead of the stove if making eggs or pancakes, guidelines on how to sleep BETWEEN the sheets instead of next to the comforters (that's one I'll never understand!).  And yes, reasonable ranges for the A/C and heat, including a quick explanation that a lower temp does not cool faster.

     

    I'd say you should not only limit the heat / cool ranges (min 68, max 78), but also explain that the A/C is primarily for humidity control, not temp reduction, since the area doesn't get that hot and cools off nicely every night.  A gentle reminder of why they chose YOUR beach, with it's milder temps, instead of a place like Miami with it's unbearable heat helps boost their confidence and makes them feel better about themselves.  Weird, but people always seem to take things better when they're wrapped in a compliment.

    • mauioceanview Contributor 206 posts since
      Jul 22, 2011
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      Jul 28, 2012 11:27 PM (in response to swiss-house)
      Re: Air conditioner use advice

      aloha moltened, sorry to hear about your experience. We too have a/c in condos, and some months the power bill is downright painful. While I don't have a solution for your problem, may I ask, which system are you using? we are looking at putting one in that can have limits. thanks!

        • disneyfunvilla Community Ambassador 407 posts since
          Mar 5, 2011
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          Jul 29, 2012 10:07 AM (in response to moltened)
          Re: Air conditioner use advice

          I have the Vera system installed, micasaverde.com, and use it to control A/C limits, lights, door lock, and more. Guests cannot set the A/C lower than 74 and if a door is left open it will shut off. I've not had a single complaint due to the 74 limitation and my place is in Florida.

           

          Mike

          • sophie Community Ambassador 831 posts since
            Mar 4, 2011
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            Jul 29, 2012 10:51 AM (in response to disneyfunvilla)
            Re: Air conditioner use advice

            I use the Schlage link system with a Trane Thermostat. We just had a brand new central a/c unit put in and the hvac people people wanted in set with a minimum 78 degrees. If your unit is running and it is cooler outside than inside, then the condenser can and will freeze up.  I have signs posted above the thermostat with nighttime cooling tips (It's always 30 degrees cooler at night in our climate). I also have the stat set so people can't set it below 72. However, I am contemplating raising that to 74. I can also monitor usage on my phone or computer and can tell if the windows are open and the a/c is running. I post a warning that if windows are open or it's cooler outside than inside the unit will shut down.

          • gatx New Member 10 posts since
            Feb 2, 2012
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            Aug 8, 2012 5:52 PM (in response to disneyfunvilla)
            Re: Air conditioner use advice

            disneyfunvilla - are you using door sensors to trigger a vera scene to shut off the a/c?  Sounds very smart! 

            • disneyfunvilla Community Ambassador 407 posts since
              Mar 5, 2011
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              Aug 9, 2012 8:44 AM (in response to gatx)
              Re: Air conditioner use advice

              That's the plan. It's not working yet, but what is working is the pool door alarms. They're one of a few options we having concerning pool safety in Florida. I now have them wired into my house alarm so they cannot be illegally unplugged or disconnected, as many guests have done in the past. If the guest leaves a pool access door or window open, the alarm will irritate them and encourage them to close it. Hey, it's not me, it's Florida law!

               

              Mike

  • jeffy New Member 5 posts since
    Apr 20, 2012
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    Jul 29, 2012 12:08 PM (in response to moltened)
    Re: Air conditioner use advice

    Ok, I
    worked as a HVAC Tech for many, many years. The first answer is to limit your
    temps in the house, both summer and winter. I would recommend running nothing
    but Honeywell Commercial Thermostats. They have many features others don’t
    have, mostly ones to save electricity, like smart fan feature to occasionally
    run the fan to circulate the air in the house, to keep all rooms an equal temp.
    I would disable the program feature on the system to keep your house the same
    temp day and night also. Remember, your walls, floor, furnishings all get to
    the room temp, then radiate that temp back into the room if you re-adjust the
    thermostat. If you keep changing the temp of the room back and forth you have
    to also change the temp of objects in the whole house, plus the actual
    structure of the house. That costs money. So in short, give the guest a low of
    68 degrees, and a high of 74 degrees. That is considered a comfortable window
    of temps for anyone. If not add or remove clothing.

     

     

     

     

     

    Another option all homeowners is to contact
    your local HVAC Company and look into adding something called an economizer.
    It’s nothing but a duct going outside on the air intake side of the HVAC unit,
    with a filter and and an electronic damper. For example in the summer if the
    outside temp gets cooler then the inside temp, it will shut off the air
    conditioning compressors, and just use the outside air. If after 30 minutes the
    inside temp doesn’t start to swing downward, then the air conditioner will fire
    up. The same goes for the winter time…. Just the opposite for heating. It’s
    cheap and very effective.

     

     

     

     

     

    Also if
    your condenser is icing up in any temp above 65 degrees, you need to have
    someone look at your HVAC unit. It may be low on charge, fan undersized, filter
    plugged, too many registers closed or something else wrong. A properly
    operating HVAC system will go down to the freeze point of the refrigerant, and
    for R-22 (most systems out there), that’s about 63-65 degrees of indoor temp,
    and the colder the outdoor temp the better for efficiency.

     

     

     

     

     

    About
    my history, I was a HVAC tech for 2 of the largest banks in the US, and a
    property manager covering over 1000 branches each. So we spent millions of
    dollars in testing to find the cheapest way to manage utility bills in our
    buildings. The key to this was doing our own independent testing and having

    unbiased results. With our HVAC adjustments, light bulb changes, and the use of
    timers in our buildings we cut utility bills to 50% or less. And we maintained
    this for over a 2 year period. In short, keep the temp in your unit consistent,
    don’t use motion sensors, or timers. It
    costs money to heat or cool all the objects in your house, and your house
    structure.

  • Currently Being Moderated
    Aug 6, 2012 4:17 PM (in response to moltened)
    Re: Air conditioner use advice

    Hi Moltened:

     

    I share your concern 6x more than you do, my vacation property is in Nicaragua and the energy cost there is $0.65 /kWH compared to $0.10 in the USA, plus it is 75-95 degrees outside all the time, no A/C means no business.

     

    I have tried multiple things and had multiple guests with different lifestyles. Some have saved a long time to have a budget vacation, others simply don't care about the costs, they just want to be comfortable. Some are coming to run away from the Canadian cold, others want to feel in Alaska all the time.

     

    My solution has been to allow the guest to set their own temperature, I will not disturb their lifestyle.

    Set a daily energy limit included in the contract that covers 80% of the people using reasonable amount of energy and charge the excess to those who want to freeze and keep the doors open. I make this very clear in the contract, in bold letters next to the rental fee, and in the house rules.

     

    Other local VR neighbors charge 100% of the electricity deducting it from the security deposit and make their rental rate net.

     

    If I had a health issue and needed the cold allergen free air, I will be willing to pay extra for my medical or lifestyle needs, if I am on a budget, I would make sure the family conserves.

     

    Hope this works for you,

     

     

    Gabriel

    www.Pochomilbeach.com

     


    • kellyjlipp New Member 2 posts since
      Aug 6, 2012
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      Aug 6, 2012 7:00 PM (in response to gabriel)
      Re: Air conditioner use advice

      Gabriel,

       

      I'd like to add verbage to my rental agreement like yours.  Are you willing to share your agreement with me?  If so, please private email it to me!

       

      Thanks,

       

      Kelly

      Maui Hawaii

      • Currently Being Moderated
        Aug 6, 2012 7:48 PM (in response to kellyjlipp)
        Re: Air conditioner use advice

        Kelly:

         

        These are some clauses I have on the contract and house rules.

         

        Utilities

        Owner pays water, gas and 100 kWH of electricity per day. Guest pays excess electricity at U$0.65/kWH.

         

        Electricity is extremely expensive in Nicaragua (U$0.65 per kWH compared to $0.10 in the USA). The daily limit of 100 kWH included is sufficient for normal use. Running the air conditioning all day or with the doors open, keeping the lights on all night, or keeping excess lights on will certainly exceed the daily limit. Help us save the environment conserving energy.

         

        Hope it works.

         

        Gabriel

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