May 21, 2012 2:30 PM
Anyone else having issues with renewal?
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Hi, this is my first time posting. I have been on VRBO since last May. My subscription renewal was due May 16th. I renewed on May 7th and VRBO charged my credit card and I received an email receipt stating my listing was live. I had a renter email me telling me my listing was no longer available, I looked into it and when I put in my VRBO # is says it is no longer active and directs me to other units in my condo complex. I emailed and called VRBO and they said it may be up to two weeks before they will be able to fix the problem...this is crazy! Is anyone else having these issues? Not only am I not getting any inquires, but the bookings I already have are getting nervous that they can't find my home on VRBO anymore. Help!!
I would do two things. First, make sure you get the full year of live listing. In other words, your year of advertisement doesn't start until your listing is back up and fully functional, not from May 16th. Second, for your guests nervousness, politely explain that it's a VRBO issue and they are working to resolve it. As travellers, they should be able to call VRBO directly and confirm that you are real and they (VRBO) are having trouble, not you. If you're listed anywhere else, say HomeAway or AirBnB, you could point your upcoming guests to those listings to help calm their fears.
Mike
Thanks for your response Mike. VRBO has assured me that I am not getting charged until my listing is up and running, but that doesn't concern me as much as not getting any new listings or calming my current renters. They first person I talked to from VRBO said that there are "thousands" having this same issue. Today, they said there were 25 people having this issue. Monday will be three weeks since I renewed, and I think it is totally ridiculous that it is taking this long to fix!! My rental is in SW Colorado and the next three months are my busy time and I am not able to get my place booked. I have opened and account with FlipKey to try to help get some bookings. What has VRBO told others that are having this issue?
Same issue. I just rang and talked to tristen. Same answer as everyone else. They will shoot an email when it is fixed. So as that could be who knows how long I have asked for a refund and going to try Flipkey as someone else suggested.
They do not seem to be making any head way in fixing this problem. Very poor service
I have asked for a refund since my renewal did not go through. Debating whether to retry a renewal online or do a new listing. Any IDEAS?????
I redid my listing from new and am now back listed. Seems to be the only way to bypass the rewal issue.
I have been having issues also. I have been trying to get a special offer up.I did everythign right ans VRBO keeps telling me that it will take a week to fix. I have been very upset because I have available weeks and I am hoping a special offer will bring them in.
I'd opted out of auto renew, since I was dropping down a tier. When I went online to renew with my CC it was very odd. ( I did this 12 days before my lisitng was to expire)
I DID get a Confirmation, with an order #. BUT there was a notation saying I had to call VRBO at 877-228-0710, M-F between 8am and 5pm CST, and provide them with my CC #.
This was confusing, since the system had taken my CC card info. (and my bank acct. had been debited) THAT was even more odd.
I did call, and spoke with with a Shannon Martin. She insured me my payment had been accepted, and gave me her contact phn #, in case I had problems.
My listing was set to expire on 5/19/12, and every time I checked my Dashboard up until 5/17/12, it kept saying my listing expired on 5/19/12. I got nervous, and submitted a Help ticket. Never heard back, though I did get an email saying my concern had been received.
As of now (5/24/12), my listing ad is still up, and Dashboard shows, under "Expires" n/a. After everything, I still check every day, which i shouldn't have to do.
I'm HOPING - (never assume anything these days) - that all is okay. It would be great if they would at least send me an email saying my Help ticket had been dealt with (and how) and that it was closed.
I wonder if HA/VRBO manages their renewals "in house" or if they contract that out. Same for their help Desk. Many companies now contract those services out.
The entire experience was unprofessional, and left me feeling very uncomfortable. I'd like to know that my substantial advertising payment was in better hands.
I hope HA/VRBO works on improving their payment/renewal system. I realize they believe the Traveler is their real customer, but until those travelers start paying the ad fees it would be in their best interest to make their PAYING customers ( we advertisers) a top priority.
Deb J
My listing says this " This listing is no longer available" after the auto renew. I found out because My current customers are calling concerned. I haven't had any inquiries in two weeks! VRBO doesn't know how long before it will be fixed". I called VRBO they said it's a "known defect". If it was "known" why didn't VRBO contact me?
What compensation will be offered?
HA/VRBO staff, Please respond to this thread ASAP.
This is a very important matter and I would like to see an offical response to this problem posted to this thread.
Thank you,
Debj
thank you I would appreciate ANY help!
Aloha, from the best weather on the planet
Have you checked to see if your home is available on the site? My home shows unavailable even though I am current!
I have contacted VRBO they said it's a "Known Defect". Known to them only, apparently, because they DID NOT notify me. I found out after not receiving inquiries for two weeks, Now I am receiving calls from guest who have previous booked and are concerned that the property is "no longer available. I am losing revenue daily and fielding phone call from nervous customers. VRBO has said they dont know how long this problem wil take to fix. HELP!!!!!
Hawaii Lady, Sounds like you are having the same response from VRBO as I am. They have had this "Known Defect" for weeks and can't correct it. I asked if they could just refund the money they charged me three weeks ago and I would start all over again with a new listing(I figure that would only take me a couple hours as opposed to waiting a couple of weeks) and they told me that they are having the same issue with new listings as well! This is the response I received via e-mail from them last Friday. "Thank you for contacting VRBO.com Customer Support. The development team is working on a solution for this issue. This process can take around two weeks because the team does a very thorough job. I don't have a date for when the solution will be in place. However, I'm adding notes to your case indicating that you're affected and that you need the issue to be resolved as quickly as possible. Someone from our Technical Support team will notify you by e-mail as soon as the issue has been resolved." Who wouldn't be affected by their vacation rental not showing up on line? If I wasn't so angry, I would have to laugh at their response....
Have you made contact with VRBO in writing (email)? I think it's important to have written documentation. At the very least, get the name and direct phone # of the Customer Service member you speak with. Then ask to speak to their supervisor.
If you have guests concerned that your listing has vanished (I understand their concern), you should demand that VRBO provide some type of written explanation stating that THEY are at fault, and that your home is still available and in good standing. At the very least, provide you with a document you can cut and paste to your guests.
IF this is an internal problem HA/VRBO is having they should be required to make you whole, in my opinion.
Debj
I'm new to VRBO and they charged my card for my listing a week ago. The listing is still not live and when I called them yesterday I was alerted to this exact problem. I'm asking for my money back and going elsewhere. I heard that VRBO was the best place to list my property but I'm very dissapointed that they have a known issue, they don't let anyone know that they are having this issue, they still charge my card and then they expect me to contact them when I notice their problem. They then tell me they may have it fixed in a few weeks.
Remind me again why they are the best place to list?
Here's what I found out. Seems to be affecting new and renewing customers. I am a new customer so not too hard for me to fix, but for renewing listings, my suggestions will result in you losing your feedback on your listing. You may be able to do it within your same profile, and not create a new user profile, but I do not know.
Anyhow, here it is:
After hours of phone time with VRBO I figured out how to fix this. It is not exactly easy, but here goes:
It turns out that they were having issues for most of the last 2 weeks following a system upgrade. Nobody seems to know why or what is going on. Not inspiring confidence.
Anyhow, the CSR I spoke with today said that he received a lot of calls like this in the past 2 weeks but that people who are sigining up today are not having problems.
So, I canceled my listing, canceled the charges with my CC company (after VRBO said they would refund my money in 30 days!) opened a new account and recreated my listing. It went live moments after I submitted it and looks like it is working.
While a bit painful to recreate the listing, it is now working. Unfortunately, this is not a great solution for existing VRBO owners/users whose renewals are caught up in this snafu. If you create a new account and listing, you lose all of your feedback. I wish all existing owners whose properties have disappeared good luck! Sounds like you may need it.
Colorado_al, Thanks for the advice. After two frustrating calls with VRBO and worthless emails, I was going to do the same thing...cancel my renewal and start all over but at that time I was told that new listings were having the same problem. I will call again..today, to see if I can have the same luck as you! It is very scary to me that the IT department is so incompetent that they can't fix this problem after several weeks! It is also frustrating that they are aware of this and not letting anybody know, if people aren't checking their sites, they have no idea that their listings aren't showing up on line. Why hasn't VRBO responded to this thread? Still trying to ignore the problem?
When you made the new listing, did you have to get a whole new sign in register
I asked reps at VRBO a week ago if they could cancel my listing and repost it to see if that would fix the problem. They said it wouldn't because new listings were also having the problem. They discouraged me against trying it saying that I would lose tenure as well as reviews. hereis a couple other things I have tried as well. I tried to renew my listing again to 2014 that didn't work. I tried creating a new listing on Homeaway and because that links to VRBO it hasn't gone live either. This is a high season and I don't know what else to do? This is a colossal failure!
Hawaiilady, I just got off the phone with Jason with VRBO. He is the only one who has seemed to help. He just ran my card again and got my listing to go to active on the owners site(it has showed expired for the last two weeks) It is not showing up on line yet as it only updates every hour. So, I am more hopeful now than I have been. They gave me a case number where to track getting my original $ refunded from May 7. So, try to get them to transfer you to Jason to help you. Good Luck!!! I will post as soon as my listing is back on line. Thanks:-)
Great news....finally someone at VRBO took the time to help me! After calling everyday with no luck, Jason was finally able to get me back on line. Hawaiilady...stay on the line until they transfer you to Jason. He wouldn't give out his last name but assured me he was the only Jason at VRBO. He got me back up and running within 20 minutes. For all other owner's, if you renewed in the last two weeks...make sure you are live!
I spoke to Jason yesterday for an hour he wasn't able to help me but I'll try again today. Thanks
I think he just figured out how to fix it while he was on the phone with me...he didn't know when I first called him but after talking with another coworker thought they would try something new...and holy cow, it worked!!!
Just spoke to Anthony ywho would NOT put me through to Jason Despite my repeated requested. I told him about your "fix" he then said he spoke to Jason and yours was a different renewal issue! I just cancelled with VRBO and Homeaway.
I have asimilar thing coming - I paid but the web site says they will remove me on June 15th
Several attempt to the joke they call "customer Service" (A setup that befits maximum a fourtth world country in thbneir case) have gone unanswered.
Therefore I started using another site - if those jerks take me off I will simply sue them.
They used to listen to their cusstomers and now they are merely a disaster waiting to happen. I plan to move most of my efforts elsewhere.
Shalom Wertsberger
Hi Saltamar,
Let me first of all assure you that our phone and email Customer Support operations for HomeAway US is located and staffed in the United States. Due to the transition of our back-end admin systems for VRBO to a new (more robust) system, we've run into a few unanticipated defects that we are working to resolve as soon as we can. Because of these defects, the response times for calls and emails into Customer Support may be longer than normal. I hope can you can bear with us as we work to make sure these issues are taken care of. I checked on your case, and saw that you will be notified via email when our team has confirmed your specific issue has been resolved.
Please let us know if you have any other questions.
Regards,
Shannon
Shannon, I have a question:
Will HomeAway/VRBO reimburse people for missed bookings because their pages are offline? If a person was set up for autorenewal and your system screwed up (during one of the busiest booking times of the year) and now these folks have empty rentals, what is VRBO going to do to compensate them?
Also, is this problem affecting anything else on the site? Are rental requests or payments or anything else not happening?
We are aware of the issue with listings not being published on VRBO and are actively working on fixing the problem. If this is the case for your listing, please send us an email with your listing ID at (http://help.homeaway.com/KnowledgeSupport?brand=VRBO&type=Owner&lang=en) and we will get it prioritized as soon as possible. You will not be charged until the listing is published and we will notify you as soon as it goes live. We have not seen any issues with inquiries on live listings, so there should be no delays in receiving those inquiries.
We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you.
Shannon
Yes, just listed a new place on Friday. When it still wasn't listed on Saturday, I contact vrbo using the CALL ME access. They went through and made it happen. Maybe try that.
I was worried I'd miss folks together for the holiday planning for a Summer week away. I had several issues in the Spring where my site just didn't load for a few days.
And yes, I would tell them you want a CREDIT in the realm of a free month or two for missing a major travel weekend. This isn't rocket science, but they do seem to be having trouble keeping up with growth. I've started looking for alternate sites - - there are a ton that offer first year free. Haven't felt they do the job yet, but enough problems and I'll look harder. Money always talks.
I got an email from VRBO yesterday stating that the issue has been resolved....from what I hear from others, mine may be fixed but not everyone's is. As I stated last week, I FINALLY got back up after calling VRBO several times. However, they had to charge my credit card....again and promised that my other charge(from May 7) would be credited back to me, and you guessed it, they haven't done it! I guess I will have to waste more of my time dealing with an incompetent company to get them to do something they promised last week:-(
I am completely frustrated with VRBO and their inability to fix a problem that is affecting so many people. Shannon...you state VRBO upgraded to a "more robust system"....for those of us who have been affected you can understand how the words upgrade and robust make us want to puke.
I dont know why they just dont reverse the upgrade. It certainly is incompetent. Not sure if I dare risk another payment to see if that works. They said my refund wouldnt occurr for a few days.
Well, it's still happening. I renewed my VRBO and upgraded to level 1 on 6/12.
No change in rankings in the first few days afterwards, but I figured it might take take a while, so I told myself "Be patient...."
Now, I'm invisible. Or at least my listing is. As of 6/16 (the date the original listing would have expired), my listing doesn't show in the searches, and if a customer types in my VRBO # in the box at the top right of the search screen, it just brings up the listing of all the properties in my area.
Come on. Really? I pay extra to get a "better" service, and I find VRBO can't even provide the basics like registering a renewal?
Worse yet, they've known about this for a while now?
I'm not a whiner; I'm the Dude with the Rose Colored Glasses, the guy who's glass is always half full, the boy humming "The sun will come out tomorrow".
But I've also been a development manager for many a year, and run both QA and Customer Support departments. And rule number one at every company I worked for was always - Fix what you have to keep your current customers happy before you start something new to try to grow the company. 'Cuz if your current customers aren't happy, they'll make it known to all those potential future customers, and your investment will be for nothing.
HomeAway - this episode has turned one of your cheerleaders into a detractor. I'm so disappointed.
WHAT could their problem be?
This has been ongoing for some time. There are several posts here {different threads} from owners who are losing business because they are invisible for weeks at a time, it seems. Apparently, there are so many "bugs" that need to be worked. Their system grows with add-on features, and "bells and whistles"....but the basic functionality is at least "quirky" and at worst unreliable. My renewal comes up in August and if they don't have this bug worked out, I'm getting nervous that I'll *disappear* for weeks, too.
I can not afford that!!
I redid my whole listing then on June 7th or so I discovered both my pages
were listed as they had fixed the problem. I cancelled my new listing, am
getting a refund and my old listing is back up and in its old place. Was
pretty awful for a month
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I redid my whole listing then on June 7th or so I discovered both my pages
were listed as they had fixed the problem. I cancelled my new listing, am
getting a refund and my old listing is back up and in its old place. Was
pretty awful for a month
Anja.
If they haven't fixed the problem by August (I can't believe what I just wrote), I suggest not trying to renew online" Instead, call customer service and renew on the phone. It may bypass the problem.
Steve
I redid my whole listing then on June 7th or so I discovered both my pages
were listed as they had fixed the problem. I cancelled my new listing, am
getting a refund and my old listing is back up and in its old place. Was
pretty awful for a month
Oh, that's encouraging news!
Thanks saffiresteve, I'm going to remember your advice.
Don't bother renewing by phone...that didn't work for me. My listing was up on June 17 so I renewed by phone on June 6. I had to call because I wanted to downgrade my subscription level and the online renewal process didn't allow for that option. That alone was frustrating, and misleading. One should be able to renew at whatever level one chooses. After renewing and my credit card promptly charged (they DO seem to manage that part!) I kept getting messages that my listing was due to expire. On June 18 they deactivated my listing. As soon as I got their first eamil, I sent emails, left phone messages, and not once could I reach a person to resolve this issue. Yesterday I tried calling 6 times, on hold for 4 mins. each and each time they bump you off the line after you wait. I'm going to have the credit card company get involved, as this is fraud. Meantime I will email all my renters and tell them the problem. Hours and hours of grief.
I got my refund for my double billing.
qigongqueen
Thanks for that post about not bothering to try renewing by phone. I was about to, and decided to renew online instread. I was kicking myself in the head for this decision until I read your post
Steve.
Thanks, Steve, The follow up is interesting. After weeks of attempting to contact the VRBO customer service, by email and phone both, it was only hours after I posted, that miraculously my listing was re-listed. And customer service called me every two hours until they got me on the phone, to apologize. I wonder what they are doing. It seems they were monitoring the community forum, and betcha it was the threat to complain of fraud through my credit card company that caught their eye. But who knows.
Best,
Beth
Just to let you know that as of today 7/10/12 VRBO still has the same problem as described above. I am presently experiencing a "not available" listing after having my cc charged last friday and of course they have no record of same, blah blah, technical issue, "we're working on it, howlong for fix?, "can't say". Wow, and I have to pay for this gross incompetance. I am thinking of trying to renew over the phone and then cancel the first charge. Problem is VRBO is currently answering their phones with a message that says " no customer service people are currently available, call back in two hours"!!!!!!!!! What, did they all quit in frustration because they did'nt have intelligent answers for their customers? Can't believe how this is going to hurt my summer bookings. Any current thoughts about our problem is appreciated.
I can't believe people still have jobs! I run my own business and I would fire anyone who was this incompetent....how many months does it take you people to figure this problem out? I have another listing expiring in January...and I have no faith that it will even be fixed by then! What did I do? During my frustration in dealing with this mess, I advertised on FlipKey. Although slow at first(mostly my fault by not have my site fully finished) my last five bookings have come from that site. No problems like what I experience with VRBO. Just listed my other property on FlipKey as well and if it picks up, I won't need to worry if VRBO has their crap together in six months.
This is my first time posting here...Have been with VRBO for 5 years and up until recently, been very pleased. However, we renewed via cc online 7/6/12, 5 days before our renewal date and unfortunately, it never got renewed and my experience was the same as the above (no sense repeating all of that). If it weren't for the fact we've invested 5 years and have 60+ reviews, we'd throw in the ropes and go elsewhere at this point! So 13 days after making our payment our site remains offline and they're statement to those who click on our VRBO badge that's on our website..."This listing is no longer available Please view our other listings in Geneva-on-the-Lake"
I did write to the CEO, Brian Sharples, 1011 W Fifth St, Suite 300, Austin, TX 78703, still waiting for his reply ![]()
Also, when I posted on VRBO's Facebook the question ...Was anyone having this problem?, yeah...they took my post off and blocked me
. Okay...I feel better ![]()
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Mr. Keane:
Please private message me your email address and I will relay how I managed this problem.
S. D. Sherman
So, if I'm told by VRBO's CSR that they cannot track the payment from my cc that was in fact listed on my cc's activity, the only logic is that I had a fraudulent transaction against my account...dah, it's a given, I'll report this to Capital One immediately. This forum does help one to think things through ![]()
Yes indeed that's how I resolved things. Everyone on this forum should report it to their credit card companies--VBRO's activities amount to credit card fraud. You bought a product. Credit card was charged. Product wasn't delivered. Fraud.
Agree!
same thing happened to me! I renewed my listing and my charge card was debited. VRBO states they have no record of this payment. This has been almost a month ago and my listing is still not active and customer service states they are "looking into it"...I have asked repeatedly for a supervisor to call me..that's not happening either. What can be done? I just want to get what I paid for.
So what are you waiting for? File a complaint with your credit card company! This is credit card fraud! They charge you, they do not deliver the product. What are you people waiting for? VRBO is NOT responding! What are we, sheep?
I have disputed the charge, however, ultimately I want my listing renewed. that is what keeps me hounding vrbo. I was hoping someone was successful and could give me some hints..this is very frustrating
Yes I was successful, I'm still listed too, that's what I wanted, for this company to just do what they had done for me for four years...all I can do is share that the day that I said on this forum that I'd call the credit card company and claim fraud is the day that I finally got a response. I had phoned several times (being on hold for 14 mins. and then being kicked off each time) in addition to emailing with no responses. When they did respond, they called and left messages, including saying they'd call me every two hours until they could speak with me to explain that they had a glitch. Ha as if that wasn't apparent. Maybe all coincidence...it may not have to do with anything I did, but that's how it turned out. My listing is still active and they did make it right. But for two weeks I got no response, then I found this forum, and stated I'd complain to my credit card company. That is the time line, and it looks like that made a difference, but at this point I think not. I think their problems are so big by now that even that doesn't matter to them. WTF, they can't correct their issues? This happened to me in mid June, and now it's the end of July and people are still having this issue? WTF did they do???
This is a BIG opportunity for some other business...to enter with competition.
Good luck,
Hi quigongqueen,
I'd like to help clear up the issues that have been brought up on this discussion. First of all, we are absolutely committed to getting and keeping your property listings live on our site. When you are successful, we are successful, so there is no reason for us to not want your listing on our site where you can be earning money!
What has happened in this situation is related to an upgrade on our admin systems for VRBO. There was an unexpected defect that kept renewals from processing properly to keep the listings live on the site. Our software developers were notified as soon as we saw it happening and they took steps to fix the problem going forward. However, there were a number of listings affected in the meantime that we are working to bring back up. These are being fixed programmatically as well as one by one when we are notified. Thus it can take some time for your listing to be live again, regardless of how many times you contact our Customer Support team. Even if you talk to the manager, they are not a programmer, and have to rely on someone in our development team to fix the listing. We expect all of these to be fixed within the next week (our team is working diligently to check for any others that may have fallen through the gap).
Again, we understand the frustration this has caused each and every one of you and ask that you are patient with us as we work to get everyone's listing back where it belongs. We are all working towards the same goal for you!
Regards,
Shannon
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