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  • kazoom Contributor 40 posts since
    Feb 20, 2012
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    1,260. Apr 20, 2012 1:23 AM (in response to fairwayshomeowner)
    Re: Hawaii Trying to Kill VRBO

    Looks like Cathy Dumond (kapohocat) has an auto reply thing going tonight. 

  • Contributor 34 posts since
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    1,261. Apr 20, 2012 1:36 AM (in response to kazoom)
    Re: Hawaii Trying to Kill VRBO

    And their website doesn't exist. Hmm.

     

    Meera Kohler

    Sent from my iPhone

  • jwe Contributor 284 posts since
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    1,262. Apr 20, 2012 5:39 AM (in response to fairwayshomeowner)
    Re: Hawaii Trying to Kill VRBO

    An even split has the advantage of avoiding the possibility that one owner feels that others have received favoritism

     

     

    from my iPad

  • jwe Contributor 284 posts since
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    1,263. Apr 20, 2012 7:41 AM (in response to aurorasands)
    Re: Hawaii Trying to Kill VRBO

    so much for an emergency contact

     

     

    from my iPad

  • jwe Contributor 284 posts since
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    1,264. Apr 20, 2012 7:28 PM (in response to cruisin9)
    Re: Hawaii Trying to Kill VRBO
    Our first priority is to defeat the current (and  ever-changing) bills during this legislature session.

     

    After the legislature closes teh first week of May we  can then turn our attention to making certain we never find ourselves in this  position again.

     

    Items we will need to do include

     

    - Organize ourselves to protect our long range  interests by solidifying our legal, fund raising and lobbying  resources,

     

    - identify other organizations which share common goals  and begin to work together with them

     

    - form alliances with government agencies, or at least  open  lines of communication with them.

     

    - more fully understand those who are advocating  undesirable legislation and their weaknesses

     

    - gather information on those folks  who  propose and support undesirable legislation.  This can include such matters  as uncovering the sources of funding for some political office holders, and the  "real life stories" of problems visitors have encountered that were caused by or  not properly addressed by property mangers.  Their dirty laundry will help undermine them

     

    Those who  proposed and advocated the legislation   played hardball.  They did not do it for the benefit of Hawai'i or its people.   And we were not prepared for them.

     

    They will likely return next year with similar or  new tactics.  We need to be prepared for them and not be afraid to  play hardball ourselves.  That may be the only approach that gets their  attention or respect.

     

    I am not advocating anything unethical.  We do not want to fabricate "facts" or distort reality like some of them did.   But we do need  to acknowledge that the only rule they have used is "there are no rules".

     

    So many people have contributed to our efforts in so  many ways it is amazing.  We have a great team that had very little time to come  together.  Thank you all.

     

    We  still need to focus on getting through the next ten days and then we can turn  our attention to next year.

  • californiaamy Contributor 36 posts since
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    1,265. Apr 20, 2012 9:25 PM (in response to jwe)
    Re: Hawaii Trying to Kill VRBO

    John,

    you can bet that the legislators are going to come out next session with their guns blazing. From the sound of Roz's email response to MGK that 1706 is pretty much dead, she seems pretty annoyed.  Roz, Evans and Green will take this time to reconnoiter and find something that will stick. We need to get them to separate the "non-tax paying" issue from the "on-island agent" issue, all of which are aimed at supporting the PMs, I believe. I think when you do that, both of the issues crumble.

  • Contributor 78 posts since
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    1,266. Apr 20, 2012 10:37 PM (in response to californiaamy)
    Re: Hawaii Trying to Kill VRBO

    Very interesting report showing what is going on with the conversion of people out of the CHO's and into IVUs (individually managed units within Condos).  2011 was the first year that the HTA asked Condo Managers to identify the number of units that were transitioned to IVUs.  This may have played a role in highlighting the trend away from CHOs and perhaps got PMs talking?   

    Overall, the IVU trend has increased from 5500units in 2008 to 10,600 in 2011, while CHO's dropped from 16400 in 2008 to 12500 in 2011.   In 2009 and 2010 the availability dropped for both sectors, I do not know why but am conjecturing it had to do with reduced inventory due to foreclosures.

    Maui PMs have sufferred the most, with IVU inventory trending up from 2008 to 2011 from 2000, 2900, 2800, 5500, and CHOs tren...ding down from 7100, 5900, 5900, 4700.

    Next hardest hit was Kauai, IVUs 1600, 1300, 1700, 2700, and CHOs down 2600, 2600, 2200, 1600.

    Oahu is so heavily oriented towards hotels (about 80% in Waikiki), this trending towards IVUs is not seen as strongly.

    Found on the hawaiitourismauthority.org site and look at the 2011 Visitor Plant Inventory report.
    Overall, however, condos are an essential part of the tourism accomodation mix.  Hotels on all islands except for Big Island are basically operating at their maximum efficiency levels, even in shoulder seasons.   But since 2008, and perhaps due primarily to new owners buying in 2009 and 2010 (picking up low priced/foreclosed properties), the trend towards self management as confirmed by the increases in 2011 surely threaten the PM model.      IVUs were 25% of the condos in 2008 and by 2011 condomium operators reported that IVUs were 46% of the condos rented.

  • Contributor 49 posts since
    Feb 21, 2012
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    1,267. Apr 20, 2012 10:54 PM (in response to alohaes)
    Re: Hawaii Trying to Kill VRBO

    Very Interesting! All the more reason for us all to come together to make a manual of suggestions from owners that self-manage on “how to” self- manage in Hawaii. If we are all aware of our responsibilities for taxes and consumer protection, there should be no reason for future regulation. We need to address these issues now ,especially if the bills die. We know round 2 is coming.

     

    I have asked the property manager of my condo complex for feedback on this issue. Let’s get more feedback from property managers as to how we can improve.

     

     

     

    crazyknits

  • Contributor 38 posts since
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    1,268. Apr 22, 2012 10:44 PM (in response to cruisin9)
    Re: Hawaii Trying to Kill VRBO

    The Hawaii legislative session is almost finished – IF A BILL ISNT COMPLETED BY THURSDAY THIS WEEK – ITS DIES! - so let’s work together to KILL THIS BILL!!  We could have a break until next January (well deserved) – just one more time we need you to write emails or phone!!

     

    What we need is to ask you for one last email/phone response to divert a bill that could prove very problematic.  Please take a moment and write a short email as we outline below.  It is our goal is have the language on this bill SB2078 changed and then we can all relax for a few months knowing that we have diverted some laws that could have had terrible impact on our vacation rentals.  It should only take a few mintues....

     

     

    SB 2078

     

    The Hawaii state legislature will have a conference committee hearing on SB 2078 (link to current version: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2012/Bills/HB2078_SD2_.HTM

     

    The current version is problematic in that it requires:

     

    •    The on-island contact, have a real estate liscense, if they handle more than one property.  For background, what happened was the Senate combined two bills, and by doing so, it created a situation where in the proposed bill, as it stands now, any on-island rep that handles MORE than one property needs to be a realtor.  WE DON’T WANT THIS.  We want the on-island contact to be able to be a handyman, a cleaner, anyone – we don’t want a restriction on what kind of professional they are.

     

    •    Publication in all ads and on the website of on-island contact information and the Hawaii state excise tax registration number of the owner.   We are concerned by that including our personal information, our tax numbers, identify theft could occur.

     

    RBOAA believes both of the above 2 points are not acceptable and better options are needed.  Please take a moment to email (or call) the following legislators and (in your own words) mention the following suggested points:

     

    •    We oppose the current version of SB 2078 SD2 because it changes the law to now requires on-island agents to be licensed realtors, increasing costs to owners without benefitting renters.  House versions of SB 2078 did not alter the sections and the definitions in the law in a way that created this new requirement.  As to the licensing of on-island agents, the House version is better and we ask that they incorporate that language.

     

    •    Requiring a Hawaii state excise tax number is fine, but requiring its publication in ads and on a website is problematic and we strongly recommend that a registration, not the tax number be made public for privacy purposes.

     

    The good news is that House members have disagreed with this version of the bill and key Senate members have said that there was no intent to change the law pertaining to the "one to one" and licensing requirement.  However, legislators must finalize bills in conference committee by April 26 -- time is short and if the conferees agree to the current version of the bill it will have adverse impacts on rental owners.

     

    Please send your email to  the following before Tuesday at 3:30 p.m. (Hawaii Time):

     

    Senator Ron Kouchi  senkouchi@capitol.hawaii.gov

    Senator Gil Kahele senkahele@capitol.hawaii.gov

    Senator Roz Baker senbaker@capitol.hawaii.gov

    Rep. Tom Brower repbrower@capitol.hawaii.gov

    Rep. Jimmy Tokioka reptokioka@capitol.hawaii.gov

    Rep. Bob Herkes repherkes@capitol.hawaii.gov

    Rep. Scott Nishimoto repnishimoto@capitol.hawaii.gov

    Rep. Clift Tsuji reptsuji@capitol.hawaii.gov

    Rep. Corinne Ching repching@capitol.hawaii.gov

     

     

    senkouchi@capitol.hawaii.gov;senkahele@capitol.hawaii.gov;senbaker@capitol.hawaii.gov;repbrower@capitol.hawaii.gov;reptokioka@capitol.hawaii.gov;repherkes@capitol.hawaii.gov;repnishimoto@capitol.hawaii.gov;reptsuji@capitol.hawaii.gov;repching@capitol.hawaii.gov

  • jwe Contributor 284 posts since
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    1,269. Apr 23, 2012 5:55 AM (in response to ajh)
    Re: Hawaii Trying to Kill VRBO

    and the bill is based on a thesis not backed by facts:

     

    "The legislature finds that although many owners of transient accommodations operate in compliance with applicable state and county laws, there are a sizeable number of owners who do not"

  • Contributor 175 posts since
    Feb 22, 2012
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    1,270. Apr 23, 2012 9:14 AM (in response to jwe)
    Re: Hawaii Trying to Kill VRBO

    jwe wrote:

     

    and the bill is based on a thesis not backed by facts:

     

    "The legislature finds that although many owners of transient accommodations operate in compliance with applicable state and county laws, there are a sizeable number of owners who do not"

    That's interesting: they've changed the argument from "TVR owner's don't pay taxes" to "we're not following state/county laws"... that might be considered a win for our position.  It might be argued that those breaking county zoning laws are probably mostly on-island already.  I've heard that some of the biggest illegal renting is being done by local PM's.  I don't have the evidence at hand... it would be nice to include that.

     

    The flip-side argument is: now the locals fighting illegal rentals will take the state's side on these bills.

     

    In talking to Senator Slom, who I think is on our side: he referred to us multiple times as "absentee landlords".  The spin put on these arguments is very important.  "Absentee landlord" has the connotation: doesn't care about the property, just here to extract money from the community. 

     

    We need to spin this with an equally short label that better connotes what we do... like "Hawaiian retirement investors".

  • New Member 13 posts since
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    1,271. Apr 23, 2012 4:59 PM (in response to jwe)
    Re: Hawaii Trying to Kill VRBO

    Aloha all,

     

    I have an email exchange between my husband and Senator Roz Baker.  We know her very well.  She loves for you to beg and plead for something and then turn you down.  It is some sort of power trip I guess.  However, her archilles heel is the letters to the editor in the Maui News.  She does NOT want the locals to find out that if she puts us out of business, they lose a whole lot of jobs.  We pay so many people and our guests spend so much money.  If you want her to go your way, write to letters to the editor, Maui News.  She has an election this year... I have lived on Maui, it is the locals with thier Ohana's rented out that don't pay taxes. 

     

    I don't know how to cut and paste the exhange in here.  If someone can tell me how to do that, I think you would find it very intersting.  I have just tried several different ways and this software won't let me do it the way I know how. 

     

    jan shields

    Sunshine & Rainbows

    Jan@SunshineRainbows.com

  • kbr402 Contributor 28 posts since
    Jul 25, 2011
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    1,272. Apr 23, 2012 5:03 PM (in response to mauijan)
    Re: Hawaii Trying to Kill VRBO

    Please share your email exchange.  I assume you know how to copy it to your clipboard? Then do a REPLY on this chat, and then right click with mouse and press paste.  If that doesn't let you do it, then do to edit on your tool bar and press paste there.

  • jwe Contributor 284 posts since
    Feb 18, 2012
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    1,273. Apr 23, 2012 5:31 PM (in response to mauijan)
    Re: Hawaii Trying to Kill VRBO

    Thanks Jan,

     

    Good suggestions.

     

    We'd love to see the exchange.  If you can forward the email to me at

    Maui@Pinninvest.com, I will try to get it on the web site for you.

     

    Mahalo

  • kbr402 Contributor 28 posts since
    Jul 25, 2011
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    1,274. Apr 23, 2012 5:45 PM (in response to jwe)
    Re: Hawaii Trying to Kill VRBO

    Posted for X:

     

     

    From:

     

    Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:16 PM
    To: 'Sen. Roz Baker'
    Subject: RE: SB 2078

     

     

    Ms. Baker,

    First Mahalo for responding,

    I am very aware of how the legislature works and I know that if this is what you people want this to pass you can bring it to the floor on the last minute of the last day and pass it.

    As I understand it, the idea allegedly is to force owners who are not paying their taxes to do so. Why would anyone believe that putting restrictions on those of us who do pay our taxes is going to influence those who don’t anyway to start paying them? They will continue to break the law because you will not have any more tools to track them down then than you do now. They will even have more business because we who obey the laws will have to comply with whatever law you guys pass thereby increasing our operating costs. Some, if not all of us will have to go out of business, and that will force the tourists to the illegal operators. They make more money, you get less taxes, because we who obey the law are gone.

    It just doesn’t make any sense, and I can’t understand why you would think it would, unless you have no concept of how the free enterprise system works, and can be fooled into believing that these restrictions would work. Or you have an agenda that we do not know about.

     

     

     

    From: Sen. Roz Baker [mailto:senbaker@capitol.hawaii.gov]
    Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 12:54 AM
    To:
    Subject: RE: SB 2078

     

     

    Mr.,

     

    It is HB 2078 and it does not have a requirement for a realtor to manage the property.  Also the bill is not in its final form.  Mahalo for your e-mail.

     

    Best regards, Roz Baker

     

     


     

    From:
    Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 7:06 PM
    To: Sen. Ronald D. Kouchi; Sen. Gilbert Kahele; Sen. Roz Baker; Rep. Tom Brower; Rep. James Tokioka; Rep. Robert Herkes; Rep. Scott Nishimoto; Rep. Clifton K. Tsuji; Rep. Corinne Ching
    Subject: SB 2078

     

    Ladies and gentlemen of the Hawaii State legislature.

     

     

     

    SB 2078

     

    These laws are discriminatory against we who live off island, we have no vote you don’t represent us, and you think that by putting these real estate agents in charge of our properties that things will be better? First of all, most of us will go out of business. The real estate people are going broke because the market is so tough, so they will charge us “Off Islanders” lots to represent us. They don’t know our customers, they don’t handle our advertising, hell they can’t keep themselves in business. They will charge us a lot to keep up the payments on their BMWs and Mercedes’s.  We cannot afford more overhead. (That means the cost to operate our business). The bad guys who aren’t paying their taxes because they are running their business illegally anyway will get richer because they will continue to do the same thing. We who obey the law are going out of business are creating more business for them. You will receive less tax money than you are now.

     

    I know you guys don’t “get it”. You’re not in business, someone has told you lies and you are eating it up. Dumb! This I will promise you. When I go out of business, I will take whatever profits I make on the sale of my property and I will take out advertisements and write letters to the editor of all the papers on all the islands to insure that the people who are no longer working because so many of us went out of business, so we won’t be using maids, and landscapers and contractors to update our property or fix broken appliances, I will take these adds out during all of October up to election day to tell anyone who will read what I say, who it was that passed these stupid bills and made them unemployed. Maybe you can get a job in the food service industry or some hotel. But you won’t get reelected if I have anything to say about it.

     

    •    T

     

    We oppose the current version of SB 2078 SD2 because it changes the law to now requires on-island agents to be licensed realtors, increasing costs to owners without benefitting renters.  House versions of SB 2078 did not alter the sections and the definitions in the law in a way that created this new requirement.  As to the licensing of on-island agents, the House version is better and we ask that they incorporate that language.

     

    •    R  Requiring a Hawaii state excise tax number is fine, but requiring its publication in ads and on a website is problematic and we strongly recommend that a registration, not the tax number be made public for privacy purposes.

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